Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/24/1993 01:46 PM Senate JUD

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                   SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE                                  
                        February 24, 1993                                      
                            1:46 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Robin Taylor, Chairman                                               
  Senator Rick Halford, Vice-Chairman                                          
  Senator George Jacko                                                         
  Senator Dave Donley                                                          
  Senator Suzanne Little                                                       
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  NONE                                                                         
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 53                                                           
  "An  Act  annulling  changes  made  by  certain  regulations                 
  adopted  by  the Department  of  Health and  Social Services                 
  relating to funding  of abortion services under  the general                 
  relief  medical  program;  and providing  for  an  effective                 
  date."                                                                       
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
  SB 53 - See HESS minutes dated 1/27/93.  See Judiciary                       
   minutes dated 2/10/93.                                                      
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  Daniel Davis                                                                 
  Box 1285                                                                     
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Georgia Patrick                                                              
  1871 Kiana                                                                   
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99709                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Jim Campbell                                                                 
  HC 3, Box 4866                                                               
  Soldotna, Alaska 99669                                                       
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Alice Young                                                                  
  Box 6161                                                                     
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Mildred Rhodes                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  130 Bryant Street #115                                                       
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Jan Catton                                                                   
  6340 H Street #A                                                             
  Elmendorf AFB                                                                
  Anchorage, Alaska 99506                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Bill Burk                                                                    
  P.O. Box 240742                                                              
  Douglas, Alaska 99824                                                        
    POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 53.                                       
                                                                               
  Lynn Zellweger                                                               
  P.O. Box 211622                                                              
  Auke Bay, Alaska 99821                                                       
    POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 53.                                       
                                                                               
  Roberta Hale                                                                 
  905 Richardson Vista                                                         
  Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Marsha George                                                                
  1926 Cub Court                                                               
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Stephanie Vieira                                                             
  611 Biorka Street                                                            
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Joyce Moldenhauer                                                            
  P.O. Box 595                                                                 
  Sterling, Alaska 99672                                                       
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  John Noland                                                                  
  128 Carlyle                                                                  
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99708                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Luke & Debra Joslin                                                          
  Box 377                                                                      
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Michael Rawalt                                                               
  Box 823                                                                      
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Carl Horst                                                                   
  2989 Barrow Street                                                           
  North Pole, Alaska 99705                                                     
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Delphia Lawson                                                               
  P.O. Box 378                                                                 
  Soldotna, Alaska 99669                                                       
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Sheron Schauwecker                                                           
  1310 Edgecumbe Drive                                                         
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Teresa Crevier                                                               
  1123 Black Bear Road                                                         
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Paul Houston                                                                 
  517 W. Northern Lights                                                       
  Anchorage, Alaska 99503                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Melinda Gruening                                                             
  Room 114                                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, AK 99801-1182                                                        
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Clyde Buetler                                                                
  Wasilla, Alaska 99687                                                        
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Ruby Becker                                                                  
  3324 Dickson Drive                                                           
  Anchorage, Alaska 99504                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Kathryn Gronlund                                                             
  Box 555                                                                      
  Ward Cove, Alaska 99928                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Lorraine Thompson                                                            
  601 Sawmill Creek Road                                                       
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Kathleen Hoffman                                                             
  HC 1, Box 131E                                                               
  Soldotna, Alaska 99669                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Beverly Berdahl                                                              
  P.O. Box 8303                                                                
  Nikiski, Alaska 99635                                                        
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Debra Davis                                                                  
  Box 1285                                                                     
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Dean Bialik                                                                  
  Box 1020                                                                     
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Deborah Morris                                                               
  304 Sterling Court                                                           
  Kenai, Alaska 99611                                                          
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Charles Horan                                                                
  Lincoln Street                                                               
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Frances Young                                                                
  537 Tower Road                                                               
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Douglas Becker                                                               
  3324 Dickson Drive                                                           
  Anchorage, Alaska 99504                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Jeannie Green                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Susan Fichetti                                                               
  10336 Stewart Street                                                         
  Eagle River, Alaska 99577                                                    
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Janice Dareff                                                                
  963A Forest Park                                                             
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
    POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 53.                                       
                                                                               
  Tom Shelton                                                                  
  1C Lifesaver Drive                                                           
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
    POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 53.                                         
                                                                               
  Kenny Leaf, aide                                                             
  Senator Robin Taylor                                                         
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, AK 99801-1182                                                        
    POSITION STATEMENT: Reviewed POM'S.                                        
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-18, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
                                                                               
  Chairman Robin Taylor called the Judiciary Committee meeting                 
  to order at 1:46 p.m.                                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR introduced SB 53 (ANNULLING ABORTION  FUNDING                 
  REGULATIONS) sponsored  by the Senate Health,  Education and                 
  Social Services Committee.  He explained the testimony would                 
  be  heard  on  teleconference  sites   in  Anchorage,  Delta                 
  Junction,  Fairbanks,  Homer, Ketchikan,  MatSu,  Sitka, and                 
  Kenai/Soldotna.                                                              
                                                                               
  DANIEL DAVIS in Delta Junction opposed SB 53, and he read  a                 
  letter  he had written to the  Fairbanks News Miner recently                 
  explaining his opposition.                                                   
                                                                               
  GEORGIA PATRICK from  Fairbanks opposed SB 53,  and she gave                 
  her reasons for considering abortion disastrous.                             
                                                                               
  Number 100                                                                   
                                                                               
  JIM CAMPBELL from Soldotna opposed SB  53, and he considered                 
  abortion murder.                                                             
                                                                               
  ALICE YOUNG  from  Sitka  opposed SB  53,  and  she  thanked                 
  everyone who watched the video, THE  HARD TRUTH, at the last                 
  hearing.  She thought abortion hurt women, families, and the                 
  extended families.                                                           
                                                                               
  MILDRED RHODES from Ketchikan opposed SB 53, and she drew on                 
  her life experience of  being the oldest of 14  children for                 
  her testimony.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 210                                                                   
                                                                               
  JAN CATTON of Anchorage opposed  SB 53 for both she  and her                 
  husband,  and  she  described  abortion  as  a  last  resort                 
  procedure used only in the cases of incest, rape, and if the                 
  mother's  health  is in  danger.   She  deplored the  use of                 
  abortions for contraceptive purposes and suggested education                 
  instead.  MRS. CATTON questioned  why the teleconference was                 
  not advertized in the newspapers and on television news.                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR explained he had done  as much as possible to                 
  advertise  to  the extent  available,  but he  reminded MRS.                 
  CATTON of  the number of bills that  came before committees,                 
  and  how expensive it would be to  advertize every bill.  He                 
  suggested  everyone  check   with  their  local  Legislative                 
  Information Office for bill information.                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR returned to Juneau to call on BILL BURK.                      
                                                                               
  MR.  BURK strongly  urged  the Senate  to pass  SB  53.   He                 
  explained  our  country  was founded  on  the  separation of                 
  church and state, and he blamed the pro-life people as being                 
  from strong religious  backgrounds.   MR. BURK claimed  they                 
  were trying to  impose their moral values  on everyone else.                 
  He gave some early history on  illegal abortions and what he                 
  had seen as a social worker.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 303                                                                   
                                                                               
  LYNN ZELLWEGER from Juneau supported SB 53, and she believes                 
  women have the right to do as they wish with their bodies.                   
                                                                               
  ROBERTA HALE opposed  SB 53, because she  thinks abortion is                 
  murder,  and   she  suggested  taxing   those  who   perform                 
  abortions.  She also objected to not receiving timely notice                 
  of meetings.                                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR JACKO said  they were  published at the  Legislative                 
  Information Offices, but MS. HALE continued to object to not                 
  seeing notices  in the  newspapers.   She said  most of  the                 
  people in the state opposed the bill.                                        
                                                                               
  MARSHA GEORGE from Ketchikan opposed SB 53.  She told of her                 
  problems with three  abortions and a miscarriage,  the first                 
  abortion  when she  was 17,  and  she described  the painful                 
  aftermath.    MRS.  GEORGE  outlined  what she  thought  the                 
  religious people should do to combat abortion.                               
                                                                               
  Number 369                                                                   
                                                                               
  STEPHANIE VIEIRA from Sitka thanked  the Judiciary Committee                 
  for viewing the video, HARD TRUTH, at the last meeting.  She                 
  is opposed  to SB 53  and any  legislation that  facilitates                 
  abortion.                                                                    
                                                                               
  JOYCE & MARK MOLDENHAUER from Sterling opposed SB 53, and                    
  she outlined her reasons for  opposition to abortions.   She                 
  urged everyone to stand against abortion.                                    
                                                                               
  JOHN NOLAND from Fairbanks opposed SB 53 and urged the state                 
  to protect all life.                                                         
                                                                               
  LUKE & DEBRA JOSLIN  from Delta Junction both opposed  SB 53                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  and do not want state money used to fund abortions.                          
                                                                               
  Number 423                                                                   
                                                                               
  MICHAEL  RAWALT  from  Delta Junction  opposed  SB  53.   He                 
  thought  when  a woman  was pregnant  it  should not  be her                 
  choice to have an abortion, and the state should not support                 
  or promote the crime of abortion.                                            
                                                                               
  CARL HORST of  North Pole opposed SB  53.  He  described the                 
  growth  of a  baby from 21  days forth  to an adult,  and he                 
  discussed the genetic  code of the  child as a viable  human                 
  being.   He  thought people should  be held  accountable for                 
  their choices and  have public funding for  adoption instead                 
  of abortion.                                                                 
                                                                               
  DELPHIA LAWSON from Soldotna opposed SB 53 for state funding                 
  of abortions,  and she  urged attacking the  problems.   She                 
  felt paying taxes  would make her  a party to abortion,  and                 
  she outlined the damage as she saw it.                                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR urged  those who had previously  testified to                 
  give someone else a chance to testify.                                       
                                                                               
  SHERON SCHAUWECKER said she represented 12 SCHAUWECKER'S  in                 
  Sitka,  who  are all  opposed  SB  53.   She  didn't believe                 
  abortion  was  a  religious  issue,  and  she  compared  the                 
  abortion issue to  the civil rights conflict over slavery as                 
  twisted logic.  She also discussed the discrimination of the                 
  Natives in Alaska, citing a book by ERNEST GRUENING, and the                 
  work of ELIZABETH  PERATROVICH.    She reviewed the  medical                 
  technology she said  proved life  begins at conception,  and                 
  she urged the legislators to deny abortions.                                 
                                                                               
  TERESA  CREVIER  from Ketchikan  opposed  SB 53  and SENATOR                 
  DONLEY amendment mandating state funded abortions.  She sent                 
  personal thanks to SENATOR TAYLOR,  SENATOR LEMAN, and other                 
  legislators who were  trying to  protect the unborn  Alaskan                 
  children.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 540                                                                   
                                                                               
  PAUL HOUSTON,  an attorney  from Anchorage,  opposed SB  53,                 
  saying he believed  in the sanctity  of life, and he  didn't                 
  think the government should fund abortions at any level.  He                 
  suggested offering assistance  to parents who want  to adopt                 
  the unwanted babies.  He also compared the abortion issue to                 
  slavery, and he  described the judgement awaiting  those who                 
  condoned abortion.                                                           
                                                                               
  MELINDA  GRUENING  from  Juneau  opposed   SB  53,  and  she                 
  explained  she  had been  an activist  and lobbied  on child                 
  abuse  issues for the past 15 years.  She viewed abortion as                 
  the  ultimate  child  abuse and  a  tremendous  civil rights                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  issue.  She  encouraged the  legislature to oppose  abortion                 
  legislation.                                                                 
                                                                               
  CLYDE BUETLER from Wasilla, testifying  in Juneau, added his                 
  name to those who opposed SB 53.                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-17, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
                                                                               
  He  suggested  a vote  on the  issue  of abortion,  since he                 
  thought there were more who were opposed than not.                           
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  returned to  the  teleconference network  to                 
  Anchorage, and  said he would address both the amendment and                 
  the bill at about 3:00 p.m.                                                  
                                                                               
  RUBY  BECKER,  a Upik  Eskimo  from Anchorage  described the                 
  beauty of Alaska and the people as independent thinkers, and                 
  she said an  abortion should not  be the right  of a  woman.                 
  She thought  Alaskans should be  an example to  the chaotic,                 
  immoral lifestyle existing in  the rest of the nation.   She                 
  ended her  testimony by describing the slaughter  she saw in                 
  abortions and the use of fetal tissue.                                       
                                                                               
  KATHRYN GRONLUND from  Ward Cove  opposed SB  53 except  for                 
  victims of rape,  incest, or  for the health  of the  woman.                 
  She  said  women needed  to  assume the  responsibility over                 
  their bodies and actions and not  dump their problems on the                 
  tax payers.    She read  a  letter she  had written  to  the                 
  Anchorage Daily News objecting to paying taxes for abortions                 
  and saying, "... you play, you pay."                                         
                                                                               
  LORRAINE  THOMPSON  from   Sitka  opposed  SB  53   and  any                 
  amendments, because she  could see no  reason why the  state                 
  should pay  for an elective  abortion, and she  reviewed the                 
  current abortion regulations.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 509                                                                   
                                                                               
  KATHLEEN HOFFMAN  from Soldotna opposed SB 53,  and she used                 
  her religious principles to describe the efforts to preserve                 
  life with great advances in medicine.  She praised the local                 
  ABC crisis pregnancy center,  where they offer  alternatives                 
  to  abortions.    She  said  it  was  staffed  with  trained                 
  volunteers,   and  operated   on   financial  donations   by                 
  individuals and organizations.  She praised the  alternative                 
  of  adoption,  and  she  quoted  Biblical  passages  in  her                 
  opposition to abortion.                                                      
                                                                               
  BEVERLY BERDAHL  from Nikiski  also represented her  husband                 
  and four daughters  in opposition to  SB 53 and objected  to                 
  using murder as birth control.                                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR noted only observers  were left in Fairbanks,                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  so he switched to DELTA JUNCTION.                                            
                                                                               
  DEBRA DAVIS of  Delta Junction opposed  SB 53, and spoke  as                 
  one  who could  have been  aborted.   She  urged the  use of                 
  adoption rather than abortion.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 120                                                                   
                                                                               
  DEAN BIALIK from Delta Junction opposed SB 53 and supporting                 
  abortions  with tax dollars.   He didn't think anyone should                 
  have the authority to take a life from any other person, and                 
  was  a  principle  to  create a  balanced  world,  a healthy                 
  family, and a strong nation.                                                 
                                                                               
  DEBORAH MORRIS from  Kenai opposed SB 53,  and she described                 
  her own decisions with  an unplanned pregnancy as  the right                 
  choice for her.                                                              
                                                                               
  CHARLES HORAN from Sitka opposed SB  53.  He thanked SENATOR                 
  TAYLOR for holding the hearings  and the committee for their                 
  time.    He   thought  the   previous  testimony  had   been                 
  tremendous, and he directed his testimony to any legislators                 
  in  favor  of SB  53  and maintaining  the status  quo.   He                 
  challenged their advocacy for abortion rights, and suggested                 
  the state needed  to get  involved in  the abortion  rights,                 
  because, he declared, abortion is destroying a fetus - and a                 
  child's issue.                                                               
                                                                               
  MR.   HORAN   suggested   providing   education   and    job                 
  opportunities, and  eliminating  all kinds  of criminal  and                 
  social injustice  instead of abortion.  He  said the present                 
  regulations were too weak,  and said SB 53 should  be killed                 
  instead.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 200                                                                   
                                                                               
  FRANCIS  YOUNG  from Ketchikan  opposed  SB 53,  agreed with                 
  KATHRYN GRONLUND and MR. HORAN, and she shared a letter from                 
  a family member  who has struggled  with the problems of  an                 
  unexpected pregnancy,  which was solved by  adoption without                 
  cost to  the public.   She  suggested  funding for  adoption                 
  rather  than  abortions  and  teaching   control  of  sexual                 
  behavior.                                                                    
                                                                               
  DOUGLAS  BECKER  from  Anchorage   opposed  SB  53,  thanked                 
  everyone attending  the meetings, and  described his meaning                 
  of an abortion.  He explained how society had to protect the                 
  life of  an unborn  child, and  he said  abortions could  no                 
  longer be tolerated  in the State  of Alaska.  He  discussed                 
  the  video,  HARD  TRUTH,   and  suggested  any   legislator                 
  supporting SB 53 should submit  to psychiatric evaluation to                 
  determine  fitness  to govern  the  people of  the  State of                 
  Alaska.  He said the fitness would be determined in the next                 
  election and demanded the legislators vote against SB 53.                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  JEANNIE GREEN from Juneau opposed SB 53 and 55.  She thought                 
  SB  53 would allow  people to become  more unaccountable for                 
  their actions, and  she suggested the  woman would have  the                 
  choice of adoption.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 275                                                                   
                                                                               
  SUSAN  FICHETTI from Eagle  River opposed SB  53 and thought                 
  the  legislators  have the  obligation  to use  the people's                 
  money wisely and not pay for the choice of an abortion.  She                 
  said abortions were not healthy or necessary.                                
                                                                               
  JANICE  DAREFF  from Ketchikan  talked  about  birth control                 
  failure, and she  disputed there was a  potential parent for                 
  every  aborted baby.   She described  orphanages overflowing                 
  with unwanted  babies, and asked  if those  who didn't  want                 
  their tax dollars  to go for abortion, would  rather support                 
  the child on welfare.  MS. DAREFF asked for support  for the                 
  woman,  who  is  ignored  while only  the  unborn  fetus  is                 
  considered.  She  gave additional reasons for  supporting SB
  53 and felt people should not force their beliefs on another                 
  person.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 333                                                                   
                                                                               
  TOM  SHELTON from Sitka  opposed SB 53,  and thanked SENATOR                 
  TAYLOR and the committee for a thorough review of the issue.                 
  He  explained he  represented  voters  who  evaluated  their                 
  prospective legislators in the issue  of abortion and voting                 
  pattern.   He  said the  role of the  legislator was  not to                 
  reflect the electorate but were put in office to examine all                 
  aspects of the issue, to determine  what is right, just, and                 
  fair.  He summarized his testimony  and said abortion was an                 
  act of violence that kills babies.                                           
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR concluded the testimony and apologized to DR.                 
  CHARLES BLOOD and  PASTOR ROY  MOONEYHAM in Delta  Junction,                 
  and in Ketchikan, MRS. ELEANOR  JACOBSON, MARTA POORE, KAREN                 
  DANGERFIELD, DEBBIE  LAW, HEATHER  MUNCH, BROOK  HUNT, ROBYN                 
  BOATWRIGHT,    and DIXIE  DUEHN, who  had  not been  able to                 
  testify..   He  invited them  to submit  their testimony  in                 
  written form for the record.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 361                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR thanked everyone  on the teleconference sites                 
  for their participation and left the  network.  He asked his                 
  aide,  KENNY  LEAF,  to  summarize  the  testimony  received                 
  through the Public Opinion Messages and today's testimony.                   
                                                                               
  MR. LEAF explained,  of the  POM'S previously received,  254                 
  were against  SB  53  and 57  supported  SB 53.    Of  those                 
  testifying today,  35 opposed  SB 53 while  3 supported  the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  bill.                                                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONLEY moved his amendment, SLO343\A.1 dated 2/9/93,                 
  and explained  it would make a permanent  prohibition on the                 
  executive branch from adopting similar regulations.                          
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR asked SENATOR  DONLEY if the change  would be                 
  to place SB  55 into SB 53, and SENATOR DONLEY said that was                 
  correct.   They discussed  whether that would  be pulling  a                 
  bill  from  committee,  and   SENATOR  DONLEY  defended  his                 
  actions.                                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR  TAYLOR declared  the motion out-of-order.   SENATOR                 
  DONLEY challenged the decision and  appealed the decision to                 
  the chair,  citing Roberts  Rule of  Order.   SENATOR TAYLOR                 
  withdrew the order, and  asked for a vote on  the amendment.                 
  The vote failed on a 2 - 2 vote.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 435                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  DONLEY  moved  to  pass  SENATE  BILL NO.  53  from                 
  committee  with individual  recommendations.   SB  53 passed                 
  from committee on a 3 - 2 vote.                                              
                                                                               
  There  being  no   further  business  to  come   before  the                 
  committee, the meeting was adjourned at 3:05 p.m.                            

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